The snakes in the grass ...

LDS Documents Reveal Eleven Year Collaboration with RCC on Marriage Equality

The media in Salt Lake City have discovered the documents revealed prior to Election Day that show a long-time collaboration between the Mormons and the Catholics to destroy what they call "Homosexual Legal Marriage."

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Americans need to understand that these two powerful church hierarchies have been working closely together to deny us civil rights, for a long time.

And that's not right.

It sure aint! It also should disqualify them for tax exempt status. What is the IRS doing about this? What is the Congress doing about this. If they are going to be active political organizations then they need to be out in the open, not hidden and secret. One would think these two religious entities have something to hide.
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Added: Really this is becoming ridiculous. Now the Catholic Church attacks Congress and Obama by claiming that certain policy actions they may take will be an attack on the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church is making what I think is called a preemptive strike (sound like they are starting the 'war' to me).

The nation's Catholic bishops Tuesday approved a statement declaring that if the Democratic-controlled Congress and the incoming Obama administration enact proposed abortion rights legislation, they would see it as an attack on the church.

Obviously I had a different idea of what religion was supposed to be in the US. But it's obvious the Catholic Church and the Mormon Church are trying to control our laws to force their rigid views of what's right and wrong (instead of teaching their beliefs to the adherents of their faiths and administering to the needs of their congregations). They have decided that the Constitution and rights of US citizens must be set aside for their beliefs. Our beliefs don't matter. Again, their freedom to choose and follow their religious beliefs is not enough. They must make us all follow them also.

No thank you. I am definitely being radicalized by the action of these two organizations. I will look askance at everything they do from now on. And I assume I'm not the only one.

I wondered about this ...

A Silver Lining in Prop. 8?

Since the passage of California’s Proposition 8, there have been protests across California. ...

At least the passing of Proposition 8, which was on its way to oblivion until the Mormons and the Catholics poured tons of money into lies and fear mongering (religiously impressive, no?), has energized many in addition to gays. It didn't seem so generally important until it became clear that organized religion, in the form of Catholics and Mormons, were going to go all out to require that everyone should follow their religious dictates. Not being able to manage their own flocks, evidently, they wish to make their religious beliefs the law of the land. Not satisfied with their FREEDOM to worship and follow the rules they choose to believe in, they have gotten so arrogant and superior that they believe they have the right to dictate, through the law, how the rest of us will live.

The Catholic Church is quite amorphous, but the Mormon Church is, I think, already aware of a backlash. Of course, even if these two churches were able to change all our laws to fit their most rigid desires then they would have to turn the fight onto each other. Somehow these two churches just don't exude brotherly love, do they? Hate, control, rigidity seems to what they stand for at present.

Hypocrisy, stupidity or ignorance?

Or all of the above?

Isn't it always the way that when bigots are confronted with their actions they claim they are being discriminated against.

It's called hypocrisy, but it's unlikely that the people who involve themselves in the persecution of gays have the capacity to understand such issues. They just know they want to enshrine their beliefs in the law. Being free to follow their beliefs is not enough. They want everyone to suffer their hatred.

The Mormon Church deserved this ad ...

[via C&L]

I don't know why LDS'ers decided to make enemies of those of us who don't agree with them on important life style issues, but they have. As the video makes clear if the LDS'ers will go after gays like this they will go after the rest of us also.

If they should succeed in trampling on the rights of gays then women will be next. After that what would they choose to do? Turn themselves into the FLDS?

I used to respectfully disagree with Mormons, even admired some aspects of their community. But now they have chosen to be an enemy of my rights as an individual and therefore of me. It was their choice, not mine.

Nothing here, move along ...

Long before today's debate over the need for a federal task force to probe the FLDS Church, a federal civil rights investigation concluded the polygamous sect was doing nothing worth prosecuting.

• "This is not a denial of housing because of the victims' religion per se, but rather because the victims were supposedly unfaithful to the church's requirements," he wrote.

Yeah, kicking people out of their homes, denying them the ability to work, forcing marriages ... nothing to see, move along.

Yesterday's QUOTES ...

Among the things, evidently, that we're not supposed to bring up because it interrupts Peggy Noonan's fantasy vision of an American history populated mostly by noble 49ers and industrious Henry Fords, are the following:

-- The genocide committed against Native Americans.
-- Slavery.
-- The "lynching era" and Jim Crow.
-- Sundown towns.
-- The forced incarceration of 120,000 Japanese Americans during World War II.
Knowing who we are, what we have done would seem to be the key to doing better in the future, but that's just me, I guess. Don't most religions teach this concept? I thought so at one time ...

The Illinois senator [Obama] said that when folks feel economically shafted, they get “bitter.” Matthews-ism spun the truism into a scandal. [...] By downplaying inequality and couching royalism in middle-class arguments, the Beltway elite pretend there are not two Americas but only one: theirs.

That nurses, the incarnation of care in the eyes of Americans, should now be a bone of contention among unions is a clue to their paramount value as our nation’s conscience. Unlike priests, they do not bear the stigma of exploiting vulnerability. And unlike faith-based institutions, which in general have been complicit in the 50-year decline in union membership by turning away from issues of morality and justice involving workers and workplaces, nurses are tackling them head-on.

How many have actually read Jeremiah Wright's speech AND the questions and answers following it? ... Obama won't vote to impeach the president for his high crimes; he won't even denounce them for what they are. But he has sure enough impeached his preacher for all the world to see. Which, as Silber says, is "much more significant -- and much more revealing -- than any of Wright's comments themselves."

... the South should really be defined as the corporatism or Plantationsim. It is the same forces that led us to the Civil War to begin with and to imperialism, which is now sinking this entire nation.

After all, look at the talking heads themselves. They are in the job of generating controversy and tut-tutting anyone they want to denigrate, without intelligence, thought, analysis, or facts. ... Not just worthless, the media is very dangerous to our freedom, our security, our Constitutional way of government, our very lives.

... I will never understand why the people who attack Islam as oppressive to women have nothing to say about the FLDS. ...

... This election season, we've seen a cavalcade of white, middle-age men express their deep, personal contempt for the first serious female contender for the White House. Contempt, of course, that has nothing to do with Sen. Hillary Clinton's policies or her beliefs. Instead, it's been an oddly personal disdain dressed up as political analysis.

We like him because he's Mormon ...

... but you should like him because he's qualified because he's Mormon (so say we Mormons).

That's the way I read this article: Arizona’s LDS population supports Romney campaign by Sonu Munshi, November 16th, 2007